Hi

First up I love the concept of this site, the way the book tracker works and the ability to browse by awards, by authour etc. I am hooked but there is one request that would make a big difference to me personally.

I have been working my way through the SF Master Works Series and plan to make my way through David Pringle's Best 100 Science Fiction Novels. My request is that you add these two lists to the site.

I realize the premise for this site is to cover awards, but the overriding goal is to help find quality SF/Fantasy to read and then help keep track of what you have read and want to read. If you have a look at the list you will see there is already considerable overlap and I would argue that the books that are missing would not be out of place featured on this site.

Obvously it presents a problem for navigatiion and site layout to add lists as the currently the focus is on awards. The other problem is if you add lists you may get people requesting other series and lists which may not include notable material so you would then need a criteria for list acceptance.

I guess my point is that I am going to be reading these books anyway and would love to be able to use this site to track them. I also believe the books in these two lists would fit bill in terms of good SF and other members would find them valuable additions.

Thanks

htaccess,

I really love the SF Masterworks Series and the Fantasy series as well.  Some really great books in there.  You're right about the overlap.  I'd guess that about 75% of the books on the list are already in our DB which is convenient as that's fewer books for me to have to track down.

The purpose of WWEnd is to present the best books in the genre so those books would fit perfectly with what we are trying to accomplish.  So, in theory, I'd love to have those lists on the site in some fashion but our time and manpower resources are very limited.  Add to that our current list of improvements is quite long as is.

I know exactly how we could get it done but time will be the limiting factor.  One of the improvements I'm pushing for now is better tagging capability.  Right now we can tag books by series name but that's it.  What we want to eventually do is allow unlimited tags for every book.  We could tag the universe the books belong to, the series, alternate series names etc. that would make for better cross referencing.  If we can get that done we can also tag the books that are part of the Masterworks series so you'd be able to get just a list of them in a search result table.  That way we could have as many worthwhile lists as we can find.  We could poll our members to decide which ones are important.  Then it would be a simple process to create a clickable list of lists for our members to explore etc.

So, to sum up, it's a great idea and we'd love to do it but I can't give you any time frame for when we'll get it done but we will eventually make it happen.  It helps to know what people want to see on WWEnd so thanks for the input!  I'll keep you posted here when we have any developments to report.

It took longer than I had hoped but the SF Masterworks list is now up on the site.  I've been adding the books the last few weeks and we just got the page finished to display them all at once.

I've only read 11 of the books on the list, much to my dismay.  I've got 7 on my to read list now including some Philip K. Dick for my reading challenge.  There is a lot of PKD on the Masterworks list!

The omission of Verne is interesting. I'm not sure how they went about picking the books for the series but Verne would certainly fit in that list. If I had to guess, I'd say they didn't have rights to print it or, as you've suggested, it could be works in translation were left off.

So far, I've only added books by authors that were nominated for the awards we cover. That was to establish a solid foundation of great books. Now I'm putting in lists like the SF Masterworks, and later this week the Fantasy Masterworks, to fill in some gaps in our coverage. Not sure what list is next but I'm sure Verne will eventaully appear on one of these. I think instead of waiting I'll just make Verne the next priority. Thanks for the idea!

By the way, you can see the Fantasy Masterworks books going in every day in the site footer under Recent Additions.  I've got 15 more to go then I'll add the list page to display them.

I forgot to post here that the Fantasy Masterworks list is up and running but you guys have probably already figured that out from the blog or seen the link in the menu.

htaccess: I figured Verne would show somewhere along the way.  One of those lists you mentioned will probably be next after I make the Verne entry.  I'm keen to do the Verne page now.  Wikipedia has 55 books by Verne but I'll probably only add the top ones but we'll see.

I think a WWEnd list is a great idea.  We've got a Top 10 list in the footer but that's not actually accurate anymore.  It's a hard coded list that I put in there some time back to hold the space until we could work out the actual calculations. Like you said, we did not want a book with a single 10 rating to get into a list ahead of a book rated 9 by 50 people.

I suppose the same calculation could be expanded into a list of 50 or maybe 100 books. I'm not sure we have enough members to make the full 100.  May need to start at 50 and expand to make sure the list is meaningful.  It would likely be a dynamic list that would change as WWEnd grows rather than a static list so you'd have to check it every once in a while if you wanted to read them all.  whargoul likes the idea too which is cool cause he has to do the coding.

One thing is for sure, these lists are a great way to get more books on the site outside of the awards.  I'm going to create a new major tab called "SF/F Lists" and move the masterworks into it.  That will create more room for all the new ones to come.  Watch this space!

Just added a new list:  The ISFDB Top 100 Books (Balanced List)

Check it out and let me know what you think.

A new list!  The Year's Best Science Fiction edited by Gardner Dozois.

This is the quintessential series of SF anthologies going back to 1984. It's a bit of a departure for WWEnd as we have really kept ourselves confined to novels thus far but I thought it would be kind of fun to add 'em.  So why the short SF?

- TYBSF is widely followed, highly regarded and eminently collectible.

- I want to see what you guys think of anthologies.

- The lists feature is the perfect vehicle for anthologies and I don't have to commit to more than just this list if it doesn't work.

- I've been reading a lot of short SF lately...

So... what's the verdict?  Do you like it?  Should we stick to novels or would you like to see more anthologies on WWEnd?

I've been thinking about an anthologies section for some time now. There are a bajillion of them out there and I've noticed some great looking new ones have been coming out lately that's I've got to have.  I figured you guys might feel the same.  I figured I'd start with the most famous series and we could add more starting with the award winning anthos and other famous series like The Year's Best Fantasy etc.

Hope you like.

Boo-Yah!

David Pringle's Best 100 Science Fiction Novels

Took a bit longer than I had hoped but now you can go to town.  I fare quite poorly with the Pringle list.  So poorly in fact that I'm not going to speak of it again.  Try not to gloat. 

Check it out and let me know what you think of the list.

I've reviewed the Classics of Science Fiction list and here are the missing books:

1. 1932 - Brave New World - Huxley, Aldous
2. 1948 - World of Null-A, The - Van Vogt, A. E.
3. 1946 - Slan - Van Vogt, A. E.
4. 1949 - Humanoids, The - Williamson, Jack
5. 1917 - Princess of Mars, A - Burroughs, Edgar Rice
6. 1924 - We - Zamiatin, Yevgeny
7. 1970 - Solaris - Lem, Stanislaw
8. 1870 - 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea - Verne, Jules
9. 1930 - World Below, The - Wright, S. Fowler
10. 1938 - Out of the Silent Planet - Lewis, C. S.
11. 1941 - Lest Darkness Fall - De Camp, L. Sprague
12. 1946 - Adventures in Time and Space - Healy & McComas
13. 1950 - I, Robot - Asimov, Isaac
14. 1975 - Deathbird Stories - Ellison, Harlan
15. 1912 - Lost World, The - Doyle, Arthur Conan
16. 1920 - R.U.R. - Capek, Karel
17. 1927 - Short Stories of H. G. Wells, The - Wells, H. G.
18. 1967 - Dangerous Visions - Ellison, Harlan
19. 1863 - A Journey to the Center of the Earth - Verne, Jules
20. 1911 - Hampdenshire Wonder, The - Beresford, J. D.
21. 1935 - Odd John - Stapledon, Olaf
22. 1944 - Sirius - Stapledon, Olaf
23. 1975 - Best of Henry Kuttner, The - Kuttner, Henry
24. 1978 - Persistence of Vision, The - Varley, John
25. 1726 - Gulliver's Travels - Swift, Johathan
26. 1889 - Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, A - Clemens, Samuel Longhorne
27. 1920 - Voyage to Arcturus, A - Lindsay, David
28. 1951 - Gray Lensman - Smith, E. E.
29. 1952 - Player Piano - Vonnegut, Kurt
30. 1955 - Of All Possible Worlds - Tenn, William
31. 1971 - Doors of His Face, The Lamps of His Mouth, The - Zelazny, Roger
32. 1974 - Before the Golden Age - Asimov, Isaac
33. 1976 - Best of C. M. Kornbluth, The - Kornbluth, C. M.
34. 1976 - The Science Fiction of Edgar Alla Poe - Poe, Edgar Allan
35. 1936 - War with the Newts - Capek, Karel
36. 1945 - That Hideous Strength - Lewis, C. S.
37. 1948 - Who Goes There? - Campbell, John W.
38. 1951 - Illustrated Man, The - Bradbury, Ray
39. 1957 - On the Beach - Shute, Nevile
40. 1961 - Lovers, The - Farmer, Philip Jose
41. 1967 - Past Through Tomorrow, The - Heinlein, Robert A.
42. 1970 - Science Fiction Hall of Fame - Silverberg, Robert
43. 1975 - The Wind's Twelve Quarters - Le Guin, Ursula K.
44. 1975 - The Best of C. L. Moore - Moore, C. L.
45. 1975 - A Martian Odyssey and Other Science Fiction Tales - Weinbaum, Stanley G.
46. 1886 - She - Haggard, H. Rider
47. 1886 - The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde - Stevenson, Robert Louis
48. 1922 - Girl in the Golden Atom, The - Cummings, Ray
49. 1923 - Clockwork Man, The - Odle, E. V.
50. 1927 - Absolute at Large, The - Capek, Karel
51. 1927 - Deluge - Wright, S. Fowler
52. 1943 - Perelandra - Lewis, C. S.
53. 1945 - Animal Farm - Orwell, George
54. 1953 - E Pluribus Unicorn - Sturgeon, Theodore
55. 1955 - Long Tomorrow, The - Brackett, Leigh
56. 1956 - Under Pressure - Herbert, Frank
57. 1957 - The Black Cloud - Hoyle, Fred
58. 1972 - Sheep Look Up, The - Brunner, John
59. 1972 - Again, Dangerous Visions - Ellison, Harlan
60. 1871 - The Battle of Dorking - Chesney, Sir George
61. 1871 - Coming Race, The - Lytton, Edward Bulwer
62. 1872 - Erewhon - Butler, Samuel
63. 1880 - Across the Zodiac - Greg, Percy
64. 1896 - The Island of Dr. Moreau - Wells, H. G.
65. 1909 - Machine Stops and Other Stories, The - Forster, E. M.
66. 1913 - The Poison Belt - Doyle, Arthur Conan
67. 1915 - Herland - Gilman, Charlotte Perkins
68. 1921 - Back to Methuselah - Shaw, George Bernard
69. 1931 - The Weigher of Souls - Maurois, Andre
70. 1932 - To-Morrow's Yesterday - Gloag, John
71. 1946 - Best of Science Fiction, The - Conklin, Groff
72. 1948 - Final Blackout - Hubbard, L. Ron
73. 1948 - The Lensman Series - Smith, E. E.
74. 1952 - Astounding Science Fiction Anthology - Campbell, John W.
75. 1954 - Brain Wave - Anderson, Poul
76. 1954 - Untouched by Human Hands - Sheckley, Robert
77. 1955 - Re-Birth/The Chrysalids - Wyndham, John
78. 1961 - Dark Universe - Galouye, Daniel F.
79. 1971 - Chronopolis and Other Stories - Ballard, J. G.
80. 1973 - Casey Agonistes - McKenna, Richard
81. 1975 - Science Fiction of Jack London, The - London, Jack
82. 1975 - Best of Frederik Pohl, The - Pohl, Frederik

Hmmmm.  Not quite what I was after though it probably does meet the authoritative requirement!

What I'm looking for is a list that will be generally accepted by most fans as "authoritative" because of both the source of the list and the content of the list.

For instance The ISFDB Top 100 Books list has credibility because the source, content and method of selection are know and deemed sufficiently authoritative that we care.  You don't have to agree with all the books included on the list but you can have some confidence that it's not just a list made by some guys over beers.

In this case, I don't know much about translated works but I have a desire to try the best SF/F from foreign climes.  A list of great translated books that I can trust would be a huge help to me and would provide some great content for WWEnd visitors.  There is a whole world of SF out there that I can't access directly but perhaps I can get a taste of what's happening in Japan or Poland or Russia through the few books that get translated.

@Deven Science: If such a list could be found it would be my top priority.  I'm dying to get more MilSF into the site.  Unfortunately I've not been able to find anything other than some small lists on various blogs and I don't know enough about the sub-genre to make my own.  I'll keep looking though.  Anybody got any ideas?

great find! one thing though, most of them are not translated into english, i think Dave wanted only those with translations.

i am all in with htaccess that if a list doesn't exist we should build one. as i mentioned before, Dave, that would be a great value-add and attraction for new users.

I like the idea of making WWEnder lists but I'm not sure we have the numbers to make a go of it.  I made a try at getting a list going in the Overlooked Books thread and did not get much response.  It takes a lot more people than we have right now to make a good list IMO.  What I don't want to do is have a list that goes nowhere cause everyone looses interest for lack of participation.  But if you guys tell me otherwise I'm game to try it.

I agree with Deven, you make a good point about combing through the DB to create new lists.  I think we have a pretty good plan to make that work already:

We've got a "custom list" feature on our enhancement list that will allow WWEnders to create their own custom lists that they can share with other members through the forum.  You'll be able to get some feedback to help you refine your list and we can make the best private lists, determined by vote, into public lists that can be accessed from the list section and the novel pages directly.

So for example, if you create a personal list of the "The Best Post-Apocalyptic Novels" and folks in the forum thought it kicked ass enough to warrant making it a public we'd call a vote and make it public.  Once it becomes a public list a new check box would appear in the member section of the novel page for any book sub-genre tagged as "Post-Apocalyptic" that would allow members to vote it up the list.  The resulting list would be dynamic and change over time as more people vote.  Since WWEnders determine the sub-genre tags as a group only the books that you guys have determined to belong in that sub-genre would be eligible for inclusion in that particular list.  Debate about miss-tagged books or books missing from the DB would ensue in the forums resulting in more accurate tags and the inclusion of new books.

Now, back to adding new existing lists:

My goal has been to leverage existing lists, from reputable sources, as a convenient way to find new quality books to add to the DB.  With each new list we all get some new books to sift through and these books, by virtue of having been in these lists, are going to be better books by and large than any random books we could add to the DB.  We can continue to grow our base with the best books first.  They're a perfect expansion outward from the awards lists since they cover the books that came before the awards or were overlooked etc.

An excellent example of this is the afore-mentioned Classics of Science Fiction list.  Throwing that list in adds 82 new books to the DB by some top-notch authors like Lewis, Ellison and Van Vogt.  There is surely some award caliber material in that 82.

I'm starting to ramble a bit now.  So, what does all this mean?  I'm going to keep looking for great lists, and counting on you guys to help me find them.  They are out there waiting to be plucked like the ripe fruit they are so you guys will never run out of books!

But don't worry, we'll get around to coding the custom lists eventually too.

It's been a long time since this thread was active but I thought I'd just mention here that we've finally started getting some Military SF into the site.

Still haven't found an award or a list but I did find a nice article by Mike Resnick that had a bunch of Mil-SF books in it.  I started adding some from the article (42 so far) and I posted a blog article about it too:

Lock ‘n Load! - Military SF at Worlds Without End

The Resnick article is linked from the blog post and is worth a read so be sure to check that out.

I'm currently working with a Mil-SF author on creating a new list.  I'll post more info here when I can.

Well, I've got good news for you on that front.  I'm about 20 books away from getting all the Classics of Science Fiction list completed.  It's a huge list and I've stopped a few times to do the MilSF and some other series books etc.  I should be able to finish it this weekend so look for it Monday or Tuesday.

Turns our I had more like 35 novels left to add and not much time to work on it this weekend.  I did get 8 more posted and I got the images together for the others so I'll be able to whittle away at them this week.

Done deal!  Check it out.

Thanks for catching that, hihik!  I forgot to add the page address to the data table.  It's fixed now.

Glad you like the new list.  It's rather an extensive list to be sure.  It's got most of the SF Masterworks on it so if you've made a dent in that one you have a good start on the Classics list.

Glad you like it.  Just wish it didn't take so long - 193 books is a lot of work!

I really like how that section is coming together, too.  I want to get some different kinds of lists in there now to broaden the appeal.  I've got to get busy on the Mil SF list again and perhaps something like a "classics of fantasy" to go with the new SF list.  Looking for fantasy recommendations if anyone knows of a good fantasy list.

There seems to be a lot of talk on the interwebs about women SF/F authors not getting the recognition they deserve.  No arguments here.  I've been making an effort to read more women the last few years and a list of the top award winning/nominated books by women authors in the WWEnd DB would be good for anyone else wanting to do the same.  That would be an easy list to put together too as it would not require any new books be added first.  I like the low hanging fruit so that one sounds like a winner.

Any other ideas for lists?

@htaccess:  You've got some great ideas there!  Thanks for being so thorough.

I really like the best of the decade lists too so that will surely go into our list of lists.  The established or famous lists are weighted toward the older titles for sure.  Some lists with newer stuff would be a nice contrast.

I'm glad you mentioned the women's list.  I've been following the Torque Control discussion and I'm waiting like a lynx to pounce on that list when it comes out.  I think it's going to be probably the best list of it's kind.  A lot of thought is going into that one and I'm excited to see the results.

The SF Signal idea has some potential.  I'll have to look those over.

Great stuff.

I thought about doing a Top Winners list but it would really be just a sub-set of the top noms list.  Can't get too excited about that one as it would be too similar to one we've already got.

I think while I wait for the Best Women's SF list to come out I'll concentrate on getting the MilSF list up next.  That will be a pretty good list and prolly better than any other MilSF lists out there.

Keep the ideas coming!

I don't know why I didn't think of it before but I could have made a great list of books by women authors based on data I've already got.  Behold:

Award Winning Books by Women Authors

This is a list of the 65 award winning novels written by women authors across all 10 awards that we cover.  What do you think?

OK, I switched out the graphic for the women's list.  jynnantonnyx gave me grief over using such a cliche image as Rosie the Riveter.  I do like the image he suggested better.

Glad ya'll like the new list.  I'm kicking myself for not thinking of it before.  There are some great books in there fo sho.

I'm making myself a reading challenge for next year to read 12 books from that list.  I've tagged a bunch already including:

• Doomsday
• Dreamsnake
• Downbelow Station
• Boneshaker
• A Door Into Ocean

Which other ones are not to be missed?  Looking for some recommendations here.

In case you missed this in the blog:  SF Mistressworks list by Ian Sales from his blog It Doesn't Have to be Right has been added to WWEnd.

This is a really great list of women authors/books.  Check it out.

• The Blind Assassin by Margaret Atwood
• In the Country of Last Things by Paul Auster
• Millennium People by JG Ballard
• The Wasp Factory by Iain Banks
• Darkmans by Nicola Barker
• Vathek by William Beckford
• Lost Souls by Poppy Z Brite
• Wieland by Charles Brockden Brown
• The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov
• The End of the World News by Anthony Burgess
• Naked Lunch by William Burroughs
• The Baron in the Trees by Italo Calvino
• Alice's Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll
• Through the Looking Glass and What Alice Found There by Lewis Carroll
• The Passion of New Eve by Angela Carter
• The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay by Michael Chabon
• The Man who was Thursday by GK Chesterton
• Hello Summer, Goodbye by Michael G Coney
• Girlfriend in a Coma by Douglas Coupland
• House of Leaves by Mark Danielewski
• Pig Tales by Marie Darrieussecq
• Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco
• Under the Skin by Michel Faber
• The Magus by John Fowles
• Red Shift by Alan Garner
• Lord of the Flies by William Golding
• The House of the Seven Gables by Nathaniel Hawthorne
• The Glass Bead Game by Herman Hesse
• The Private Memoirs and Confessions of a Justified Sinner by James Hogg
• Atomised by Michel Houellebecq
• The Unconsoled by Kazuo Ishiguro
• The Haunting of Hill House by Shirley Jackson
• The Turn of the Screw by Henry James
• The Children of Men by PD James
• After London; or, Wild England by Richard Jefferies
• The Trial by Franz Kafka
• The Shining by Stephen King
• The Victorian Chaise-longue by Marghanita Laski
• Uncle Silas by Joseph Sheridan Le Fanu
• Memoirs of a Survivor by Doris Lessing
• The Chronicles of Narnia by CS Lewis
• The Monk by Matthew Lewis
• Beyond Black by Hilary Mantel
• Melmoth the Wanderer by Charles Maturin
• The Butcher Boy by Patrick McCabe
• Ascent by Jed Mercurio
• Ingenious Pain by Andrew Miller
• Mother London by Michael Moorcock
• News from Nowhere by William Morris
• Beloved by Toni Morrison
• The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle by Haruki Murakami
• Ada or Ardor by Vladimir Nabokov
• The Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien
• The Famished Road by Ben Okri
• Fight Club by Chuck Palahniuk
• Nightmare Abbey by Thomas Love Peacock
• Titus Groan by Mervyn Peake
• A Glastonbury Romance by John Cowper Powys
• Gargantua and Pantagruel by Francois Rabelais
• The Mysteries of Udolpho by Ann Radcliffe
• Satanic Verses by Salman Rushdie
• The Little Prince by Antoine de Saint-Exupery
• Blindness by Jose Saramago
• How the Dead Live by Will Self
• Dracula by Bram Stoker
• The Insult by Rupert Thomson
• The Castle of Otranto by Horace Walpole
• Institute Benjamenta by Robert Walser
• Lolly Willowes by Sylvia Townsend Warner
• Affinity by Sarah Waters
• The Sword in the Stone by TH White
• The Old Men at the Zoo by Angus Wilson

I've looked this one over and you're right - there does not seem to be any ambiguity.  Straight up fantasy.  That's the good news.

The bad news is that there are 99 books in that award list that we don't have in our database.   Oy!  I guess I better get started...  This is going to take some time.

Currently we're trying to add the Guardian list and a MilSF list that I've been plugging away at for months.  The MilSF list is closest to being done so I'll probably shift to that one to wrap it up.  jynnantonnyx is helping with the Guardian list so we should have them both up in the next month or so.

Rhondak101 - 2011-06-13 7:21 PM Now you are making me feel guilty My wishes don't have deadlines. rhonda

Ha ha!  It's a great list but I admit I was hoping for a little more overlap

Emil - 2011-06-14 8:29 AM If there is 99 books "short", how many are actually in WWEnd

There are 190 books on the list so we have 91 already- just under half.  Not too bad really.

Emil - 2011-06-14 1:18 PM Oh. I meant, how many books are there in the WWEnd database in total? I'm just calculating that amount of books, plus the potential additional 99, divided by my age and multiplied by the number of years left until ... well ... I vacate this reality to see if it's humanly possible to ever catch up

Ah!  Right now there are 3,020.  Bit of a milestone getting past 3k.  You may find it difficult to read them all but I know you'll give it your best shot!  Just keep reading, just keep reading....

@htaccess:  We're getting close to done with the Guardian list now.  I've got all the images done and jynnantonnyx is pluggin' away at the data.   It'll be interesting to see how the NPR list compares to Guardian's.  I'm sure we'll be adding that one to the site too.  Mythopoetic should be a great addition to the site.

@valashain:  Sidewise looks interesting though it's a short list.  Some years didn't see much alt-hist books being published it seems.  Kinda strange to have a winner but no other nominees for three of those years...

Boo-yah!  All done and looking schweet.  Many thanks to jynnantonnyx for helping me get all these books added to the database.  Take a gander and let us know what you think.  There is quite a bit of variety in this one which is exciting.  jynnantonnyx will be posting to the blog about the list shortly.  Enjoy!

  Yeah, we've got a slight data issue that should be fixed shortly.  One of the data fields is not long enough or some such so it's hanging up.  Stand by.

Boo-yah again!  Took way longer than expected but we finally finished the Baen Reader's List of Recommended Military SF.  Check out the blog intro here.  Happy reading.

That's a good list but we've already got the balanced list from ISFDB and I'm not sure this is different enough from that.

Looking around that site I found this list:  ISFDB Top 100 Authors (Balanced List)   and I thought what if we had a WWEnd poll based on this list where members and visitors choose one book for each author on the list?  It would be like having 100 mini-polls where you'd have to vote for 1 book from each author's entire bibliography.  What one book best represents that author's work?

We could call it "100 Best Books by 100 Top Authors" or some such and display them in the same order as the ISFDB list.  It would be one hell of a great list judging by the names on there and a great way to find a book for an author you haven't tried yet.

What do you all think?  Worth the effort?  Would you cast your votes?

In case you missed it in the blog we've just added a new list!

Take a look and let us know what you think.  Surprised by any books on the list?  Any books that we've missed?

Well, I got one bite.  Thanks, Rhonda.  I think it would be fun and I think the result will be really unique.  It would take at least a few hundred voters to make it worthwhile though.

And now for something completely different...

@nate1234:  Thanks, glad you like it!  I mentioned this in the blog so I thought I'd put it here too:

We'll be adding links for connected series soon so you can get to all 3 of Donaldson's Thomas Covenant series that fall under different letters in the alphabet.  There are many series of series in the database so this will help you find the ones that go together so you won't end up starting in the middle trilogy.  I'll post here when that's been added.

I'm glad you're diggin' the site!  I've been thinking of the Sidewise award and it would be a nice addition.  I'll certainly add it to the list of awards we want to add.  I'm a bit embarrassed that we've only got 1 Turtledove book in our database!  I'll try to get some of his books added here shortly.  Thanks for the suggestion.

We've looked into adding this one before.  I wrote to EP to get a definitive list of the books after finding several conflicting lists around the web and they could not/would not provide such a list.  They told me "we don't keep track of the books we publish" and further admonished me in no uncertain terms that I should in no way claim to have the definitive list as if I was going to try and trade on their reputation.  To be honest, they were rather dickish in their response, when all I wanted was a reliable list, and I just said screw that and moved on to another list.

I thought it strange that they would not want to promote their own books at no cost and very little effort but I'm not surprised anymore.

If you guys like the list we'll get it added.  Especially if it's mostly books we've already got

You are most welcome!  You guys keep giving us great ideas we'll keep adding 'em.  The lists are one of my favorite features so I'm usually happy to jump on a new one.  It helps when we're most of the way there already.

Here's a new feature we think you're gonna like:  My Series

This is a list of all the SF/F/H series in our database that you have at least 1 book tagged in.  So if you've tagged a book as read, to read or currently reading and it's part of a series, the series will show in this list.  Of course, you have to be a member, you have to have tagged a book that's part of a series and you have to be logged in.

Use this list to find your incomplete series so you can finish them off.  It's great if you've lost track of where you stopped reading or perhaps you caught up to the author and had to wait a few years for the next book so you forgot to go back to it.  I know I found The Boy Who Would Live Forever which is book 5 of the Heechee Saga.  It came out 17 years after book 4 and I thought I had read them all.

You can also use this list to show off all the series you've read to your friends and talk them into joining WWEnd.  Just sayin'

Anyway, check it out and let us know what you think!

You asked for it, you got it.  Let us know what you think!

hihik - 2011-11-12 10:30 PM every time i come back to this site you've added something new and i, like a child, 'play' with it thanks so much for 'my series'!

Ha, ha!  You are so right!  Of course, you should never really leave this site in the first place

I really dig the My Series too though that page can take some time to load.  We're going to add some filtering to it eventually so you can select completed series, incomplete series and series that you haven't started but have tagged on your reading list.

We've also got a new list coming up in a few days for our YA Genre Fiction Month so stay tuned.

Science Fiction for Young Adults: A Recommended List by David Brin

More YA books than you can shake a stick at.

Sounds interesting!  I'll get these added - perhaps this weekend but no promises.

Not a bad list at all.  I've read most of those and a good many would be on my own "best" list.

The Pringle Fantasy has stalled a bit here lately because of the GMRC but I'll pick it back up soon.

It would be just our luck that SOPA/PIPA would rain on our parade.  Dill-holes.

@Galleyangel:  I've not heard of that series before but it sounds interesting.  When I try to look up "Masters of Science Fiction" I only get the TV series.  Do you have a link?

@Rhondak101:  I hate a broken series.

Work is kicking my ass right now so I've fallen off the pace here lately.  This one does stick in my craw   Could have sworn I'd already added The Magicians!   When I get my second wind I'll take care of some of these.

That's a good question!  Here are some of the lists/awards we're working on adding:

• Cordwainer Smith Rediscovery Award (author award) (0)
• World Horror Grandmasters (author award) (3)
• Searles' Basic Reading List in Science Fiction (6)
• Shirley Jackson Award (19)
• Science Fiction: The 101 Best Novels 1985-2010 (22)
• Pringle's Modern Fantasy: The 100 Best Novels (34)
• Fantasy - The 100 Best Books (Cawthorn and Moorcock) (53)
• Mythopoetic Award (78)

The number next to each indicates how many books or authors we're lacking from each list.  We've made a bit of progress on some of these and there is some overlap in these so adding a single book can knock it off of 3 or 4 lists at once.  So which one is next?  Well, none of these actually.  We're working on a different list all-together:

Books Reviewed on WWEnd

That's right.  All the reviewed books in a single list so you can peruse the reviews easier.  We've got over 800 reviews on the site (huge props to our contributors!) and we want to be sure you guys are finding them.  We're going to make it like the Series list with the alpha pagination and I'm guessing it'll be at least 300 books long.  All the usual BookTrackr color coding will be there as well as a page that shows all the reviewed books that you've tagged as read.  Should be coming up pretty soon so keep an eye out for it.

After that?  Pringle's Modern Fantasy seems to have a lot of people excited so that's a good pick methinks.  The new 101 Best Novels list is getting some love in another thread so that one's rising to the top as well.  What do youthinks?

The Books Reviewed list looks like a great addition - looking forward to it!

Pringle's Modern Fantasy and the Mythopoetic award have been hanging fire for some time now - it would be nice to see them completed.  Fantasy awards are somewhat underrepresented with only 2 awards vs. SF's 7 (the BFS is really more horror than fantasy), so some more fantasy would be nice.  The book lists are even more unbalanced - around 11 SF lists vs. 1 fantasy list.

On the book lists in progress:

• Searles' Basic Reading List in Science Fiction:  A good list, but it would be nice to see the companion fantasy list (see below) go up first.
• Shirley Jackson Award:  Very interesting, would definitely like to see this one.
• Science Fiction: The 101 Best Novels 1985-2010:  A strong list, should be added.
• Pringle's Modern Fantasy: The 100 Best Novels:  Yes!
• Fantasy - The 100 Best Books (Cawthorn and Moorcock):  A worthwhile but very eclectic list.  Cawthorne says: "In an earlier volume of the '100 best' series, H. R. F. Keating says that he excluded certain titles because they are now almost unobtainable.  The contrary view is taken here..."  BTW, this work is almost entirely Cawthorn's as Moorcock was too busy to perform the work originally commissioned to him.
• Mythopoetic Award:  Yes!

I can tell that you don't have enough work on your plate, so I've come up with some other possible additions (more fantasy lists): 

• The Ballantine Adult Fantasy series was a highly influential series in it's day, much more so than the two Orion Masterworks series.  It includes works by such seminal authors as William Morris, James Branch Cabell, Lord Dunsany and George MacDonald.
• The Seven League Shelf, a list of classic fantasy complied by Baird Searles in his Reader's Guide to Fantasy.  I can't find the list online, but I can reproduce it if you like. (it has 33 entries).
• Jeff Vandermeer's Fantasy:  Essential Reading is a great literary list.  Jeff has impeccable credentials for compiling such a list, so this is one that I'd really like to see added.  Plus, it has 4 out of the 5 books that I give a 10 to that aren't currently on the site. 
  

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@Engelbrecht:  Glad you like the new list ideas.  The ones you mentioned are new to me but I dig 'em - especially the Vandermeer.

Here's a progress report on the current list of lists:

Books Reviewed on WWEnd list is LIVE!  Check it out and let us know what you think! 

Pringle's Modern Fantasy: The 100 Best Novels - I've got all the images ready and we've started to get them into the DB. I'm guessing we'll have that done in the next couple weeks on the outside.

More to come in the next few days including a blog post about the reviewed books list.

And another one!

My thanks to jynnandtonnyx for jumping on those last 50 books.

Wow, the WWE Books Reviewed is awesome!  Turns out that there are more than 500 books represented - lots of reviews to read!

I keep thinking about posting some reviews here, but always seem to find myself intimidated by the tremendous quality of the reviews I keep reading.  That, and once I finish a book, the siren song of the next book sweeps me away - it's an addiction!

Props also for the Pringle Modern Fantasy - jynnandtonnyx waves a mouse and magics weeks into days - thanks!!

I'm so happy that the Angela Carter book is here now - The Infernal Desire Machines of Dr. Hoffman is such a GREAT book!!!!  The Bridge, Who Made Stevie Crye?, Lanark, The Eyes of the Overworld, all great new additions.  The book from the Pringle list that I'm most looking forward to reading is Helprin's Winter's Tale - one of these years I'll get to it - so much reading to do...

BTW, when you get a chance a notice for these should be posted to the New Features & News forum - all this hard work should be recognized.