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Posted 2010-03-11 2:13 PM (#1807 - in reply to #1806)
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Yea I saw the "book lists" tab, very cool.

more ideas about lists:

http://www.goodreads.com/list/show_tag?name=sci-fi

browsing that I noticed an award called the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_Award.

reading that i noticed http://www.salon.com/books/feature/1999/07/27/macleod_interview/pri...
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Posted 2010-03-14 11:12 PM (#1811 - in reply to #1807)
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Just added a new list:  The ISFDB Top 100 Books (Balanced List)

Check it out and let me know what you think.

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Posted 2010-03-15 3:42 PM (#1813 - in reply to #1740)
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Awesome, loving the lists feature!

Just reading "The Difference Engine" which is on that list, which will take me to 21 read, lots of reading to do!

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Posted 2010-03-15 5:51 PM (#1814 - in reply to #1813)
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Yeah, I'm diggin' the lists too.  The best thing about this new one is we already had 97 of the 100 books in the WWEnd database.  That's low hanging fruit.  The 3 missing books were The Lord of the Rings (as a single volume), Golden Fleece by Robert J. Sawyer and In the Country of the Blind by Michael Flynn.
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Posted 2010-04-13 11:22 PM (#1845 - in reply to #1814)
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A new list!  The Year's Best Science Fiction edited by Gardner Dozois.

This is the quintessential series of SF anthologies going back to 1984. It's a bit of a departure for WWEnd as we have really kept ourselves confined to novels thus far but I thought it would be kind of fun to add 'em.  So why the short SF?

- TYBSF is widely followed, highly regarded and eminently collectible.

- I want to see what you guys think of anthologies.

- The lists feature is the perfect vehicle for anthologies and I don't have to commit to more than just this list if it doesn't work.

- I've been reading a lot of short SF lately...

So... what's the verdict?  Do you like it?  Should we stick to novels or would you like to see more anthologies on WWEnd?

I've been thinking about an anthologies section for some time now. There are a bajillion of them out there and I've noticed some great looking new ones have been coming out lately that's I've got to have.  I figured you guys might feel the same.  I figured I'd start with the most famous series and we could add more starting with the award winning anthos and other famous series like The Year's Best Fantasy etc.

Hope you like.

 

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Posted 2010-05-04 11:38 PM (#2006 - in reply to #1740)
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htaccess - 2009-12-23 3:45 PM

I have been working my way through the SF Master Works Series and plan to make my way through David Pringle's Best 100 Science Fiction Novels. My request is that you add these two lists to the site.

I realize the premise for this site is to cover awards, but the overriding goal is to help find quality SF/Fantasy to read and then help keep track of what you have read and want to read. If you have a look at the list you will see there is already considerable overlap and I would argue that the books that are missing would not be out of place featured on this site.

Boo-Yah!

David Pringle's Best 100 Science Fiction Novels

Took a bit longer than I had hoped but now you can go to town.  I fare quite poorly with the Pringle list.  So poorly in fact that I'm not going to speak of it again.  Try not to gloat. 

Check it out and let me know what you think of the list.

 

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Posted 2010-05-05 4:11 PM (#2008 - in reply to #1740)
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Yea i saw you had finished it last night, thanks for adding it, quite a few new books in this list.
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Posted 2010-05-09 1:52 PM (#2021 - in reply to #2008)
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The book lists are now linked from the novel pages.  Check out The Time Ships by Stephen Baxter to see.  It's in the info box under the Awards list.  Schweet!
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Posted 2010-05-14 2:59 AM (#2043 - in reply to #1740)
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I vote for http://classics.jameswallaceharris.com/Lists/ByRank.php next!
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Posted 2010-05-14 12:57 PM (#2045 - in reply to #1740)
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That is an impressive list at 193 books! I'll take a look this weekend and see about adding it to the site.
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Posted 2010-05-14 9:20 PM (#2046 - in reply to #2045)
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I've reviewed the Classics of Science Fiction list and here are the missing books:

  1. 1932 - Brave New World - Huxley, Aldous
  2. 1948 - World of Null-A, The - Van Vogt, A. E.
  3. 1946 - Slan - Van Vogt, A. E.
  4. 1949 - Humanoids, The - Williamson, Jack
  5. 1917 - Princess of Mars, A - Burroughs, Edgar Rice
  6. 1924 - We - Zamiatin, Yevgeny
  7. 1970 - Solaris - Lem, Stanislaw
  8. 1870 - 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea - Verne, Jules
  9. 1930 - World Below, The - Wright, S. Fowler
  10. 1938 - Out of the Silent Planet - Lewis, C. S.
  11. 1941 - Lest Darkness Fall - De Camp, L. Sprague
  12. 1946 - Adventures in Time and Space - Healy & McComas
  13. 1950 - I, Robot - Asimov, Isaac
  14. 1975 - Deathbird Stories - Ellison, Harlan
  15. 1912 - Lost World, The - Doyle, Arthur Conan
  16. 1920 - R.U.R. - Capek, Karel
  17. 1927 - Short Stories of H. G. Wells, The - Wells, H. G.
  18. 1967 - Dangerous Visions - Ellison, Harlan
  19. 1863 - A Journey to the Center of the Earth - Verne, Jules
  20. 1911 - Hampdenshire Wonder, The - Beresford, J. D.
  21. 1935 - Odd John - Stapledon, Olaf
  22. 1944 - Sirius - Stapledon, Olaf
  23. 1975 - Best of Henry Kuttner, The - Kuttner, Henry
  24. 1978 - Persistence of Vision, The - Varley, John
  25. 1726 - Gulliver's Travels - Swift, Johathan
  26. 1889 - Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, A - Clemens, Samuel Longhorne
  27. 1920 - Voyage to Arcturus, A - Lindsay, David
  28. 1951 - Gray Lensman - Smith, E. E.
  29. 1952 - Player Piano - Vonnegut, Kurt
  30. 1955 - Of All Possible Worlds - Tenn, William
  31. 1971 - Doors of His Face, The Lamps of His Mouth, The - Zelazny, Roger
  32. 1974 - Before the Golden Age - Asimov, Isaac
  33. 1976 - Best of C. M. Kornbluth, The - Kornbluth, C. M.
  34. 1976 - The Science Fiction of Edgar Alla Poe - Poe, Edgar Allan
  35. 1936 - War with the Newts - Capek, Karel
  36. 1945 - That Hideous Strength - Lewis, C. S.
  37. 1948 - Who Goes There? - Campbell, John W.
  38. 1951 - Illustrated Man, The - Bradbury, Ray
  39. 1957 - On the Beach - Shute, Nevile
  40. 1961 - Lovers, The - Farmer, Philip Jose
  41. 1967 - Past Through Tomorrow, The - Heinlein, Robert A.
  42. 1970 - Science Fiction Hall of Fame - Silverberg, Robert
  43. 1975 - The Wind's Twelve Quarters - Le Guin, Ursula K.
  44. 1975 - The Best of C. L. Moore - Moore, C. L.
  45. 1975 - A Martian Odyssey and Other Science Fiction Tales - Weinbaum, Stanley G.
  46. 1886 - She - Haggard, H. Rider
  47. 1886 - The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde - Stevenson, Robert Louis
  48. 1922 - Girl in the Golden Atom, The - Cummings, Ray
  49. 1923 - Clockwork Man, The - Odle, E. V.
  50. 1927 - Absolute at Large, The - Capek, Karel
  51. 1927 - Deluge - Wright, S. Fowler
  52. 1943 - Perelandra - Lewis, C. S.
  53. 1945 - Animal Farm - Orwell, George
  54. 1953 - E Pluribus Unicorn - Sturgeon, Theodore
  55. 1955 - Long Tomorrow, The - Brackett, Leigh
  56. 1956 - Under Pressure - Herbert, Frank
  57. 1957 - The Black Cloud - Hoyle, Fred
  58. 1972 - Sheep Look Up, The - Brunner, John
  59. 1972 - Again, Dangerous Visions - Ellison, Harlan
  60. 1871 - The Battle of Dorking - Chesney, Sir George
  61. 1871 - Coming Race, The - Lytton, Edward Bulwer
  62. 1872 - Erewhon - Butler, Samuel
  63. 1880 - Across the Zodiac - Greg, Percy
  64. 1896 - The Island of Dr. Moreau - Wells, H. G.
  65. 1909 - Machine Stops and Other Stories, The - Forster, E. M.
  66. 1913 - The Poison Belt - Doyle, Arthur Conan
  67. 1915 - Herland - Gilman, Charlotte Perkins
  68. 1921 - Back to Methuselah - Shaw, George Bernard
  69. 1931 - The Weigher of Souls - Maurois, Andre
  70. 1932 - To-Morrow's Yesterday - Gloag, John
  71. 1946 - Best of Science Fiction, The - Conklin, Groff
  72. 1948 - Final Blackout - Hubbard, L. Ron
  73. 1948 - The Lensman Series - Smith, E. E.
  74. 1952 - Astounding Science Fiction Anthology - Campbell, John W.
  75. 1954 - Brain Wave - Anderson, Poul
  76. 1954 - Untouched by Human Hands - Sheckley, Robert
  77. 1955 - Re-Birth/The Chrysalids - Wyndham, John
  78. 1961 - Dark Universe - Galouye, Daniel F.
  79. 1971 - Chronopolis and Other Stories - Ballard, J. G.
  80. 1973 - Casey Agonistes - McKenna, Richard
  81. 1975 - Science Fiction of Jack London, The - London, Jack
  82. 1975 - Best of Frederik Pohl, The - Pohl, Frederik
There are some great names in this list that haven't made it into the WWEnd DB yet: Harlan Ellison, Jules Verne, C.S. Lewis, A.E. Van Vogt, and Edgar Rice Burroughs to name just a few.  There are several names I don't recognize too like Karel Capek, E.V. Odle and Groff Conklin.

 

I've got my work cut out for me but these are some exciting additions.
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Posted 2010-05-16 8:33 AM (#2047 - in reply to #2046)
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Impressive and some very good titles in there. One of which, She, is the first sci-fi I ever read.
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Posted 2010-05-16 4:58 PM (#2048 - in reply to #1740)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karel_Čapek is the guy who coined the word robot.
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Posted 2010-05-16 6:18 PM (#2050 - in reply to #2048)
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You know, I've been searching high and low for an authoritative list of the best foreign language SF works translated into English.  I'm guessing this guy would be on the list somewhere.  Anybody seen such a list?
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Posted 2010-05-16 7:36 PM (#2052 - in reply to #2050)
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I know of a Fr website which carries a DB of 8000 world authors in the SF/F/Horror genres. For each author, the description will tell you where the author originates from and all his/her titles published, in French of course. They also provide the titles in English. Is this what you mean by authoritative? In other words, this is HUGE.
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Posted 2010-05-16 8:51 PM (#2054 - in reply to #2052)
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Pierre - 2010-05-16 7:36 PM I know of a Fr website which carries a DB of 8000 world authors in the SF/F/Horror genres. For each author, the description will tell you where the author originates from and all his/her titles published, in French of course. They also provide the titles in English. Is this what you mean by authoritative? In other words, this is HUGE.

Hmmmm.  Not quite what I was after though it probably does meet the authoritative requirement!

What I'm looking for is a list that will be generally accepted by most fans as "authoritative" because of both the source of the list and the content of the list.

For instance The ISFDB Top 100 Books list has credibility because the source, content and method of selection are know and deemed sufficiently authoritative that we care.  You don't have to agree with all the books included on the list but you can have some confidence that it's not just a list made by some guys over beers.

In this case, I don't know much about translated works but I have a desire to try the best SF/F from foreign climes.  A list of great translated books that I can trust would be a huge help to me and would provide some great content for WWEnd visitors.  There is a whole world of SF out there that I can't access directly but perhaps I can get a taste of what's happening in Japan or Poland or Russia through the few books that get translated.

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Posted 2010-05-17 5:37 AM (#2055 - in reply to #2054)
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I figured this was exactly the opposite you are looking for, as it is not a list but rather a compendium. On the other hand, if such a list does not exist, this DB would be quite helpful to build one as you can make a search by countries of origin. If a novel or novella or short has been translated into French, there is a good probability it was also in English. For example, A.E. Van Vogt is an American who, I believe, did not get much recognition in the USA, but most of his books were translated. He has quite a large fan base in France. With this premisse in mind, the reverse may be true for foreign texts translated into English.
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Posted 2010-05-17 2:02 PM (#2057 - in reply to #1740)
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my suggestion is to scan through foreign sf/f book awards winners and find those translated into english. logic is based on a premise that if a book won in a national contest AND got translated into english it must be good. hey, you may even scratch the part about winning, translation is a huge deal by itself.

i understand that it requires considerable labor/time investment but maybe forum users can pull this off - identify them, find info on them like plot, cover image, selling store. then admins can simply enter that data into db.

here're names of several foreign sf/f awards - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:National_science_fiction_awar...

thinking of starting a thread to illustrate my idea ...
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Posted 2010-05-17 10:58 PM (#2066 - in reply to #2057)
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I'm still working on the assumption that such a list already exists somewhere though I'm losing hope in that.  I also thought there would surely be an award or even a good list for Military SF but I can't locate one of those either.
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Posted 2010-05-18 12:50 PM (#2068 - in reply to #2066)
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i did more digging today in search of such list but i can't find anything. there's a lot of talk why very few get translated and why english is a dominant language in the genre.

i found this though - http://www.ou.edu/worldlit/onlinemagazine/2010may/webcontents.html. admins, maybe you can ask these guys to help you find a list of foreign sf.
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Posted 2010-05-23 9:31 PM (#2083 - in reply to #2066)
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@Dave,

A Military SF list would be great, as that is one of my favorite sub-genre of science fiction. William C. Dietz wrote some great ones.
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Posted 2010-05-23 9:50 PM (#2084 - in reply to #2083)
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Deven Science - 2010-05-23 9:31 PM @Dave, A Military SF list would be great, as that is one of my favorite sub-genre of science fiction. William C. Dietz wrote some great ones.

@Deven Science: If such a list could be found it would be my top priority.  I'm dying to get more MilSF into the site.  Unfortunately I've not been able to find anything other than some small lists on various blogs and I don't know enough about the sub-genre to make my own.  I'll keep looking though.  Anybody got any ideas?

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Posted 2010-05-24 6:20 AM (#2086 - in reply to #1740)
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Regarding the best non-english sf: http://www.locusmag.com/Reviews/2010/03/overview-of-international-s...

In general I would suggest that these missing lists are a great opportunity for WWEnd, if they don't exist then create them! At its simplest you could make a forum topic where people could nominate and vote and use the lists area to make the resulting list. The lists would need to be updated periodically to allow people to continue to add new material and vote for old material. Starting small would also be a good idea, say a top ten list, it could then be expanded as necessary. Obviously a more complex specialised mechanism for voting and nominating could be built.
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Posted 2010-05-24 7:49 AM (#2087 - in reply to #2086)
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Maybe I oversimplify, but if the sub-genres are accurately reflected by admin and members, then lists would create themselves and be generated through a db search. In other words, the more books are added, the best lists will be created. Isn't it also a matter of tagging them correctly and completely, for example: Genre, sub-genres, Series or not, Country/language of origin, number of reads, award wins or noms etc. It all comes down to the books in the db.
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Posted 2010-05-24 7:54 AM (#2088 - in reply to #2087)
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You make a great point, Pierre. If one could track the books on this site by marked sub-genre, and then organize them by average reader rating into a list, then you would have an instant WWEnd list for every sub-genre. A new person could start with the top rated books, and work his way down if he liked what he read.

What do you think, Dave? WWEnd could create their own lists, and WWEnders would have a direct effect on the order by voting for the ones they've read and liked.
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